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[kalihicop]

Okay it's that time again!

We, D-5 got another speed enforcement grant. Officers will be out at various times of the day in the Kalihi area giving out speeding citations. So you've been warned! LOL So let your friends and family know to keep it at least under 10 over top be safe. So if you get stopped after this, no grumble be humble...

More so after Officer Davis got killed by a speeding driver, I don't think ANY officer will be too compassionate to excuses for speeding.

Anyways in my opinion, Officer Davis saved that couples lives in the stalled truck. Imagine of the speeding truck hit them instead, we would have two people dead... Officer Davis sacrificed his life for theirs...he's their HERO!

[sbc4me]

Anyways in my opinion, Officer Davis saved that couples lives in the stalled truck. Imagine of the speeding truck hit them instead, we would have two people dead... Officer Davis sacrificed his life for theirs...he's their HERO!

Sad but True...

[dlrs14]

Anyways in my opinion, Officer Davis saved that couples lives in the stalled truck. Imagine of the speeding truck hit them instead, we would have two people dead... Officer Davis sacrificed his life for theirs...he's their HERO!

Sad but True...

[Drunk Racers]

I am wondering why it is taking so long to get the "Move Over" law passed here. I've been in states that had it and it is good for their safety.

[2012GT500]

MY Sticker RULES!!!

   and I had it before all this happened!!! any idea as to how fast the other car was traveling???

Prayers for the officers family and friends.

   Sure wish people with problems would learn to pull over to the right instead of the left, I am sure the car acted up prior to stopping completely, might have been able to pull off to the right? (Not every case...but most can pull to the right) and since Hawaii folks tend to DRIVE in the left instead of using it as a passing lane, might not have worked this time?

[sbc4me]

MY Sticker RULES!!!

   and I had it before all this happened!!! any idea as to how fast the other car was traveling???

Prayers for the officers family and friends.

   Sure wish people with problems would learn to pull over to the right instead of the left, I am sure the car acted up prior to stopping completely, might have been able to pull off to the right? (Not every case...but most can pull to the right) and since Hawaii folks tend to DRIVE in the left instead of using it as a passing lane, might not have worked this time?

I don't get it, how would your commanding sticker have prevented that tragedy?

AKAIK, the "stalled" vehicle blew out a front tire, in the far left lane. Obviously, one would immediately slow to a stop when their front tire blows out, and not veer through 4 or 5 other lanes to get to the right shoulder. Have you ever tried merging lanes on the freeway while traveling at a slow speed with your front end shaking violently? Either way, the disabled vehicle was a sitting duck... fortunately for the occupants, Officer Davis sat behind them to PROTECT & SERVE.

I drove by the area yesterday, and saw the charred spot where the accident took place. What's strange to me is it was on a straight-away, not around a bend or a curve... which indicates to me the speeding-4X4-truck-driver was very distracted for a while and did not see the flashing blue lights... just curious, how would your sticker rule in that scenario

[2012GT500]

   If people did not DRIVE in the left lanes...they may have been able to get to the right??? This would have prevented this tragedy in my opinion.
    JMHO...but my sticker tells you to MOVE OVER...where you belong unless passing. SO the sticker RULES!!! Even I move back to the right when not passing people...plenty of people going way faster than me that I don't want to piss off because I am in their way...so keep right unless you are passing!
 

[onederful100]

thanks for the reminder, kalihicop.
thats a sad loss for HPD and for his family.

[sbc4me]

   If people did not DRIVE in the left lanes...they may have been able to get to the right??? This would have prevented this tragedy in my opinion.
    JMHO...but my sticker tells you to MOVE OVER...where you belong unless passing. SO the sticker RULES!!! Even I move back to the right when not passing people...plenty of people going way faster than me that I don't want to piss off because I am in their way...so keep right unless you are passing!
 

Hmmm, I don't recall anything in the Hawaii Driving RULE-BOOK about "left lane is for passing only". I drive the H3, H2 & H1 often, daily. 99% percent of the time, I am in the left lane with cruise-control set @ 8mph over,,, and a good percent of that time I am passing cars in the lanes right of me. If someone speeds up behind me ( @ an over-tolerable rate of speed ) and expects me to move over, they can kiss my ass. After draft-bumping me a few times with no success, they get the message and go around me... normally @ 15+ over the speed limit... that's their perogative.

Think about it, we don't know how fast that 4x4 Truck was traveling, but maybe if there was a "more reasonable" driver in front of him in the left lane, the 4x4 Truck woulda been forced to slow down and that accident coulda been prevented...

[frankenstang]

Sad for that HPD officer.  The left lane is usually for faster moving traffic, the slower traffic
to the right hand lanes.  Bottom line is a lot of Hawaii drivers need to re-take the course.
Just today a lot of tailgating.  I brake checked the dummy and got the finger.  Sorry I wasn't
going as fast as you were, MORON.

[2012GT500]

Listed in Hawaii Drivers Manual...Check page 79...we need to educate people of the basic rules of the road. I remember this from 30 years ago...always stay to the right, on multiple lane roads leave the left and the right lanes open for merging traffic and passing. (use the center lanes as these have less stop/go situations and not "Interrupting" faster traffic.) Also on page 81 talks about tire blowouts, and even there it says to slow down and work your way to the right before pulling over.

http://hawaii.gov/dot/highways/hwy-v/HIDrvManV2DriversManual.pdf

(I remember getting crap from 2 of my high school teachers because my DAD gave them a speeding ticket for 2 miles over the limit, one of those teachers made me complete 9 extra book reports before she would pass me because of it) How would people here like that??? Not very likely they would enjoy that!

   Drive safe

[sbc4me]

Listed in Hawaii Drivers Manual...Check page 79...we need to educate people of the basic rules of the road. I remember this from 30 years ago...always stay to the right, on multiple lane roads leave the left and the right lanes open for merging traffic and passing. (use the center lanes as these have less stop/go situations and not "Interrupting" faster traffic.)

Ahem,,, Page 79:
• Through traffic should use the left or center lanes and move at or near the posted speed limit.
1). If i am traveling from Wahiawa to Kaneohe, then I am "THROUGH-TRAFFIC", and have the right to be in the left lane of the H2, H1 & H3 until I need to get off the freeway.
2). If I am traveling 63mph in a 55mph zone, I am nearer to the posted speed limit than the guy speeding up on my rear bumper... he can find his own lane.

Also on page 81 talks about tire blowouts, and even there it says to slow down and work your way to the right before pulling over.

Ahem,,, Page 81:
If you experience a tire blowout on your vehicle:
• DO NOT APPLY THE BRAKES. This may cause your vehicle to become
uncontrollable.
• Grip the steering wheel firmly and steer to remain in your traffic lane. (There
may be a strong pull to the right or the left, or the pull may be in one direction
and then the other.)
• Reduce speed gradually without using the brakes until you are moving very
slowly, then
• Apply the brakes lightly and pull off the road into a safe area. (You can drive
for some distance with a blown out tire at a very slow speed without causing
damage to the wheel rim.)
1). Sounds to me like the driver of the first vehicle did everything he was supposed to do. Unfortunately, there is not enough "safe area" on the left shoulder where his tire blew out. I'm sure if he had the choice, he woulda picked a safer area... could you imagine the agony that guy went through, being the sitting duck, blocking the left lane on a freeway,,, with his wife in the vehicle???

http://hawaii.gov/dot/highways/hwy-v/HIDrvManV2DriversManual.pdf

(I remember getting crap from 2 of my high school teachers because my DAD gave them a speeding ticket for 2 miles over the limit, one of those teachers made me complete 9 extra book reports before she would pass me because of it) How would people here like that??? Not very likely they would enjoy that!

   Drive safe

Oh boy, here we go again with that "people here/people of Hawaii" crap.

I'll tell you what, the problem that lies within here is not "which lane the reasonable drivers choose", the problem is the fukkers who expect you to move out of their way... regardless of THE FACT that they are traveling too fast to begin with.

and I'll tell you another thing, it happens to me WAY MORE OFTEN on the H2 & H3... and the offenders are frequently heading towards, or have just exited a military base.

You Sir have inspired me to mount my dash-cam... Thank you.

[DGGM9D6SS]

Hate to say, Patrick, I disagree on this one.  While, yes, the ultimate responsibility lies with the driver of the truck (the bright blue flashing lights on the wrong side of the freeway shoulda been a huge clue to slow the hell down) but stopping in the fast lane to me is just asking for trouble.  IIRC, either another officer, or a good sameritan, lost their life helping some lady who had stopped, literally, in the same place on H1 because a 5-gallon paint bucket was stuck under her car and was making a grinding sound...  she stopped in the left lane...  someone pulled in front of her to help get her going...  another car slammed into the lady's car while he was on the ground underneath it trying to dislodge the paint bucket...  it was awhile ago, maybe 10 years or so, but I remember that vividly.

IMWO, the driver of the first car shoulda kept going on the blown tire and gone over to the right... bullied their way if need be, to get over and off the freeway.  If the law allows people to stop in the passing/fast lane in emergency situations, then it needs to be changed...  now!  If the driver didn't have the skill to do so with a flat tire, then they have no business behind the wheel of a car.  This all goes back to what I keep saying about a high performance driving class for ALL drivers... can't pass the course - you don't drive.

On a personal note, a long time ago, something very similar happened to me when I was in my early 20s.  Now, granted, this was ultimately my own fault, but I can see how something like this can happen to the most well intentioned driver...  a huge Board of Water Supply truck was ahead of me in the fast lane of H1 by Liliha...  I was a little tired, and wasn't looking ahead...  middle of the day...  no traffic...  we're doing 55+...  probably closer to 65...  and the truck suddenly switches lanes.  For some reason, I still don't know why, only my lane was dead stopped.  Other two lanes we're normal speed.  With a barrier to my left and a car to my right, I had to lock up the brakes on my '66...  luckily, I was able to stop 5 or 6 feet away from the guy in the Celica who I'm sure thought he was about to get an Impala enima.  Different circumstances, I know, but stopping in the fast lane at anytime is something bad waiting to happen.

[sbc4me]

IMWO, the driver of the first car shoulda kept going on the blown tire and gone over to the right... bullied their way if need be, to get over and off the freeway.  If the law allows people to stop in the passing/fast lane in emergency situations, then it needs to be changed...  now!  If the driver didn't have the skill to do so with a flat tire, then they have no business behind the wheel of a car.  This all goes back to what I keep saying about a high performance driving class for ALL drivers... can't pass the course - you don't drive.

Easier said than done. Rick, if you're gonna take all the people who don't know how to drive with-3-wheels, and revoke thier licenses, then there'd be just you and me left out there... hmmm, not a bad idea  

But seriously, granted, I agree that the right shoulder would have been a safer place to "park" than the left lane.

I haven't seen any pictures of the "stalled" truck to know how serious the blowout was... but, according to news reports, the occupants of that truck said Officer Davis got out to see if they were ok, then got back in his car to call a tow-truck. NOW, if it was possible or a better idea to DRIVE that truck to the right-shoulder, don't you thnk the Officer would have told them he's gonna go back to his car to block traffic while they drive to the right side? Again, I ask, Have you ever tried to change lanes on the fast-moving-freeway, while you're moving slow, with a shaking front end?

Bully your way into the next lane?... Then what, get tapped from behind, and go into a spin across 3 lanes of oncoming traffic?

Sounds like they need to re-vamp the SCCA course... you participants give strange advise on Mondays!

Here's a fact that I consider when evaluating this tragedy: Rear-Enders happen on the right shoulder too.

Wasn't there an accident a couple months ago near Kunia, where someone rear-ended a stalled tractor-trailer, parked fully on the right shoulder?

Bottom Line, slow down-pay attention. If you see cars or BWS trucks in front of you making strange manuvers, take your foot off the gas and get ready to slow down... don't WAIT till you see the "reason" for the manuvers.

[DGGM9D6SS]

Absolutely agreed that accidents happen when people are pulled WELL over on the right...  sometimes the cop who is helping is all the more reason for people to get distracted and do something stupid.  Otherwise we wouldn't have so many dash cam recorded incidents where a car slams into the car the cop just pulled over.  Amazing.

Don't get me wrong, I realize that getting over with a flat, mild or really bad, isn't easy.  I'm just saying, even if it has come apart and is shredding your fender NASCAR style...  you STILL should try to get it over.  It also would not eliminate accidents if everyone took a EVOC style driving class.  I know I can handle my car pretty well, but even I have had one  OK, two  fine, several incidents that prove otherwise.  One split second of bad judgement can have lasting results.  I'm just saying if all the people who don't know the difference between the brake and the gas, all the people who are afraid of traffic, all the people who...  eh, you get the idea...  if they were off the roads, we'd ALL be alot safer.