Mods => Suspension Modifications => Topic started by: terminator on August 30, 2011, 08:43:49 PM

Title: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: terminator on August 30, 2011, 08:43:49 PM
http://v2.dubmag.net/cars/diy/932-baer-puts-the-brakes-on-a-roush-mustang

this is the write-up from dub on the install on T-Roush - these brakes are unbelievable!

it also stops all 325 # of shaq...lol

http://www.muscularmustangs.com/2011/news0536_building_a_mustang_for_shaq.php
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Don Johnston on August 30, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
Good info on the brakes, esp. when all the discussion about lots of go power, we tend to forget that it needs to be brought down quickly and safely.

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Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: terminator on August 30, 2011, 10:32:14 PM
yup that is one of the great things of what Ford did w/the Terminator - the front Brembo brakes... the Baer brakes in this set up on the T-Roush supposedly outstop a z06 from 100 mph but I haven't tested it personally....yet...  they did perform unbelievably at Fontana and got the attention of the corvette and the euro crowd...lol
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Don Johnston on August 30, 2011, 10:35:56 PM
It is the system that Shelby American puts on the new GT350 and the GTS upgrades, with six piston up front and six piston option in the back.  Necessary for handling over 500 HP safely.

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Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: terminator on August 30, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
yeah... I was lucky T-Roush came w/six piston all around....  not so fun to spend money on brakes vs power but well worth it re performance and safety imho

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.281871502863.144063.92385747863
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: SOM9D6SS on August 30, 2011, 11:39:57 PM
Absolutely!  I used to think about power, power, power...  but after a few foot-to-the-floor-this-bitch-ain't gonna-stop-in-time moments...   well, let's just say I can now stop 4500 pounds prety damn quick!  Power Slot rotors and Hawk pads up front were well worth the money...  still saving for the B Body 14" kit from Wilwood.

You need to bring that Roush down here... I wanna ride!
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: terminator on August 31, 2011, 07:07:00 AM
Yeah will do when it is in Hawaii.   For now I am keeping it on the West Coast in a friends garage to take it around to a few tracks.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: hi5.0 on August 31, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
Porsche out-blings all in that department with a 8 piston, 15" disc upgrade available. :lol: And don't forget the carbon/ceramic composite rotor option.
This is one area Ford really needs to stop being so cheap about. Don't forget, tires are a part of the braking equation too.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: terminator on August 31, 2011, 09:59:35 PM
yeah good point but I don't think you will find this set up on a porsche w/12k miles on it for $25k....lol - imagine the car Ford could/did build in the 'performance' porsche price range, like the modern day GT?  maybe one day...
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Don Johnston on August 31, 2011, 10:12:09 PM
Aren't the Porsche 8 Piston brakes for the racing series cars and the bigger, heavier Cayennes?  Kinda overkill for the lighter Mustang, even in track use, for the T-Roush, Miller Stangs and Shelby high HP upgrades, I would think.  At this rate we can go to 10 and 12 piston systems and eventually calipers around half the rotors.  But as HP rates keep pushing the 1000 HP mark and beyond, that maybe not so strange.

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Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: hi5.0 on September 01, 2011, 07:00:21 PM
You can never have "too much brakes" - especially for those moments when you want your car to STOP RIGHT NOW.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: SOM9D6SS on September 01, 2011, 08:48:12 PM
Also worth mentioning... while the slotted and cross drilled rotors look cool like dat...  the fact is, the more surface area you have the better you will stop.  If you are upgrading your brakes for your daily driver, or even your weekend warrior...  stick with solid, smooth rotors.  A really good set of pads (Hawk, for example) will help the occasional panic stop a whole shitload better than a set of the baddest (and more expensive) cross drilled ones. 

If you're on the brakes quite a bit, like I am, at a track, then slotted is all you need.  Something good to get the gasses out, and that's all.  If you plan on cooking your brakes on a huge, open road course, then yes... the cooling benefits of drilled rotors come into play.  Just remember, drilled rotors are also prone to cracking under heavy use, so always check them while your cleaning your wheels.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Dagamore on July 24, 2012, 04:14:05 PM
have some sort of vents on the brake surface, does allow for better braking vs a smooth rotor, because the pads(as they are designed) will ablate(vaporise) and the gass comming off them will foce the pads to come off the rotors, not completely but at one side or another in long hard braking, you smell your brakes yeah you know the pads are moving off the rotors, thats when slotted will start to shine.

on a dd at the normal speeds you wont notice it, and yes if you have your abs kick in, it will pulse the pads enough to vent most of the gas with out needing the slots.

the best way to improve your stopping is with good tires, that is your only link to the ground, and thats what stops you.  then get good or better pads, Hawks makes some great ones.

if you are still having stopping issues, then look at more clamping force, i.e. better calipers.  but keep in mind that you need a proper sized master cylander and the right piston size in the MC to work with your new calipers, its all about blalance, and if you have an abs system it can cause problems with going too big of a caplipers, and too large in the back can cause the abs to have issues, problems with the rear wheel speed sensors and what not.

just my 2 cents.

that reminds me i need to put in new pads on the rear soon.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: noob on July 24, 2012, 05:45:26 PM
Terminators didnt come out with brembos....they came with Australian PBR brakes...
Brembos didnt show up factory on fords till the Shelbys came out....

someone correct me if im wrong...
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Stangsoldier on September 04, 2017, 11:53:09 AM
What would be the best way to identify which pads are needed for Brembo calipers
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: humbleLX on September 04, 2017, 12:02:20 PM
Terminators didnt come out with brembos....they came with Australian PBR brakes...
Brembos didnt show up factory on fords till the Shelbys came out....

someone correct me if im wrong...
correct.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: terminator on September 04, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
The pbrs are good - I had those stock on my 95 corvette stamped Made in Australia pretty funny
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Joe Babooze on September 14, 2017, 11:41:20 PM
Terminators didnt come out with brembos....they came with Australian PBR brakes...
Brembos didnt show up factory on fords till the Shelbys came out....

someone correct me if im wrong...

Correct sir. IMO six piston is  kind of overkill for the street.  Moving up to the 4 piston Brembos on my 2014 GT.  14" rotors and 4 pistons is plenty for me.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Don Johnston on September 15, 2017, 11:59:30 AM
Like my 6 piston Brembo at each corner, especially on the curvy tracks.  But, correct, that for Hawaii clogged street use, not really needed unless you like Tantalus Drive runs that require dodging inattentive skateboarders. 8)
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Joe Babooze on September 15, 2017, 05:29:28 PM
Hey yours got the 15" rotors or the 14"? I figured harder to clean with the 6 piston setup and I wasn't about to go to 20" rims for added clearance.  Just waiting for YRC freight to deliver.  Can't wait to use my power bleeder.  Sick and tired of doing it the old school way.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Don Johnston on September 15, 2017, 07:39:21 PM
Oops, correction. Mine are 6 piston Baer brakes front and rear, 14 inch rotors, rims are 19 inch to clear the calipers.  They switched to Baer in 2013.  Some may have gotten Wilwood systems.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Joe Babooze on September 16, 2017, 04:13:28 PM
Ok, gotcha. The ones I ordered are the Ford Performance Br mob upgrade kit.  Basically the 2007-2012 GT500 brakes with the braided steel lines.  Figured guaranteed to fit since I'm using 19" wheels all around, also Ford Performance Boss LS.  Figure this will be a good upgrade for the next planned mod.  Trying to keep a factory appearance with similar performance to the GT 500 but using the Coyote instead.  With the Ford parts bin at your disposal, it's no wonder the S197 platform lends itself to infinite mod options.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Don Johnston on September 16, 2017, 07:02:46 PM
Wow, new brake series.  Baer, Brembo, Babooze...is there no stop to this.  Groan.
Title: Re: Baer 14" 6 piston brakes
Post by: Joe Babooze on September 16, 2017, 07:14:50 PM
Ba ba ba booze Babooze Babooze Babooze.

Nice musical ring to it.